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Kevin Darcy
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:00 am    Post subject: Training camps Reply with quote

Whoever is interested in doing a training camp abroad! Contact me! When do you want to go Prefferably? How long do you want to go for? What other dates could suit you? Do you prefer Poland, Ukraine or Thailand? No timewasters!

I want to get two training camps organised over the next year. I hope that high attendance will raise our standards and introduce many new ideas!
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Eamonn Flanagan
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:02 am    Post subject: training camps Reply with quote

Kevin,

This is something I am interested, as i told you on Saturday night. For me things would somewhat depend on where I am "professionally" next summer (ie Will I have a real job?).

If I can avoid a real job through next summer then I would be interested in going to Thailand, first choice, for between 2 and 4 weeks. And I would be looking at next summer sometime in June or July. I personally would not see any point in going for a camp for less than two weeks.

Obviously relative cost of the destinations would influence my preference also, but all other things being equal I would probably choose Thailand. Unless it was your opinion that coaching, facilities, food etc would be much better in Poland, Ukraine etc.

Thanks for looking into this and encouraging others to do so.
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Eamonn Flanagan
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:07 am    Post subject: training camps Reply with quote

The other possibility of a training camp would be China.

The Chinese coach I worked with at NMU, Mark, gave me a DVD last year of the new national training facility in China which was open to foreign athletes last summer. I think they were trying to recoup some of their costs of building the centre.

It is hugely impressive. Huge training hall, excellent facilities, good dorm rooms, sports medicine/massage etc. I can find out if they are looking for foreign athletes again this summer. As I recall, last year it was US$65 per day to train there. (about 45e). This included accomodation, massage, all food, internet, etc etc. A very expensive option though considering you would probably be looking at a 800 euro flight also. So although I think this would be amazing in terms of facility and experience this one probably is not as much of an option due to cost.
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ncallaghan
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Kev,

Like Eamonn I told you I'd be interested in one this summer, preferably Thailand aswell though having attended so many yourself you might be a better judge as to where to go.
I finish college around the 10th of June though I'd add a week to that to be sure and allow me to move everything back home. No commitments after that so stick me down on the list!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

May I ask why Thailand as a training camp?
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ncallaghan
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for me it's probably a bit unrelated to the weightlifting. Would like to see the country after the camp as I lived with two guys from Thailand last year. Also the cost of living is quite cheap, though I would imagine that is the case in most of the countries mentioned?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Low living costs. Good facilities. Low recovery technique_massage costs. I like sunshine. V good lifting there at the moment.

A lot of Thai boxers I know speak highly of it also.
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cathal byrd
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just looked at results from this year's Worlds and Thailand did do very well with some pretty good lifters so they must have a decent system over there.

Kev I would presume that if a few of us were to go that we would be training with weightlifters and under coaches? Just that you mentioned thai boxing...Are the thai boxers and weightlifters training in the same facility over there?

At the moment I think that I will be free to go next summer like Eamonn and Nat should cost not be too much. I think that the World Unis are on in Sept so it would be a perfect time for me to go.

In relation to cost, I think it's very clear that the IAWLA don't have money to dish out but could they part-fund the trip if enough of us go? There was discussion about the fact that we take part in Euro Small Nations but aren't a 'small nation'. Could the money that would be spent on that comp be better spent on a camp like this?? I think it is also clear that we are not going to qualify an athlete for Beijing 2008 in Europeans, so maybe instead of sending an 8-man team why not send 3-4 athletes that would benefit from the experience and use the money saved on this camp? Just a thought as the people that will be going to camp are still or were until very recently students and not drowned with cash!

Would like to hear people's thoughts...
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Kevin Darcy
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Cathal....firstly u are a gOOd GuY!

Second, I havent heard of Thai boxers and lifters in the same camp.

Third, having been away to train three times and self funded I wouldnt like to see guys coming along for a funded free ride or holiday. I also dont know how much of a country you can see while training fulltime. However I would like to see guys with potential that are serious about developing being helped to a degree.

Anyone thast does decide to come should be under no illusions as to what will be required from them.

Next summer in Thailand will prob suit me. I would like a camp between now and the EU comp in March also.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wouldn't be a 'free ride', just financial assistance to help with costs. I see nothing wrong with that. I have been to the Ukraine with yourself, Mike and Ray at my own expense and even though it was relatively cheap, for someone in my situation who is in a full time college course, and at the moment working full time in a school for no wage, it still put a dent in the wallet.

So would the camp be a 'weightlifting camp'? If so I was also thinking that next summer wouldn't the top Thai weightlifters and coaches be in Beijing or at least deep in preparation and maybe not prepared to spend much time with us Irish lads? I know Sean O' Sullivan had a similar experience when he went to Poland to train just before the World Championships a few years ago and ended up leaving early as a result. Just a few thoughts...

I would also be up for a pre-Euro u23 camp if it could be organised. il be free for the majority of December and some of January...
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Eamonn Flanagan
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:02 am    Post subject: training camp Reply with quote

Yes, I just wanted to echo one of cathal's questions/comments.

Of the places mentioned Ukraine/Thailand/Poland etc would there be coaching forthcoming and would we be training in a weightlifting environment?

Would coaching be part of what we were paying for? Or are you just paying for facility use and "hoping" some coaches throw attention your way? With regards to coaching, how much of an issue might the language barrier be?
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cathal byrd
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Ukraine, we had the undivided attention of the coaches. The main guy that did most of our training had no English but I found that to be no problem. This guy was very animated and it was easy to tell what he meant from his actions/demonstrations.

I think that if we are to go to a camp it needs to be in a weightlifting environment and we need the attention of weightlifting coaches. Otherwise we may as well stay at home.
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cathal byrd
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just another few thoughts...

I trained full-time in Limerick over the summer and made great progress. The environment may not be perfect, but it's not far off. I trained with and had the support and help of Eamonn Flanagan, Sean O' Sullivan and Barry Vaughan and would like to think that I helped them with their training also. What I'm saying is that in Ireland we have people that may not be internationally recognised coaches, but in my opinion they're not far off. Include people like Harry Leech, Andy Murphy, Thomas Bamford, Neil Dougan, Peter Stewart if he's in Ireland and the Galway lifters and that's not a bad bunch of people to have in your corner. It's just a matter of getting 3-4 of these guys together for a few days or so every month and we can definately help each other and create a good weightlifting environment.

Now I'm not saying that we don't need to go abroad to improve. For some of us I think going abroad is maybe the best and only option. But what I am saying is that we do have the knowledge and personnel in Ireland to do very well if we could just find a way to meet up more than 3 squad sessions a year and at comps.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then what about a summer coaching camp in Ireland? Set it up at Limerick or Belfast with training facilities at either UL, St Gabriels or Newtownabbey. Have people stay in University dorms (Queens University, Belfast dorms were dirt cheap and available during summer) or peoples houses for 2-3 weeks.

Get everyone together, have video camera being used by resting lifter while other lifter on platform. Analyze lifts at end of session over lunch or something.

Either have one big camp or smaller 1 week block camps throughout the year.
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