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Irish Weightlifting Progress (1991 - 2007)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats what I feared, that a University club would need to be able to attract a fairly large number of students each year due to the high turnover and the fact the majority of the club members would not want to get involved with the running/advertisement of the club.

I will try to get further information from Billy. You cannot be too far from the all time top ten as I think I calculated I needed a 260 total at 75.5 kilo bodyweight to knock off Laurence. I will see if I can get the table off Billy with all the values for each bodyweight and also see if I can get the lifters bodyweights and totals and convert to Sinclair.
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barry vaughan



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found in third year at UL that it is extremely difficult to start a university club, and more importantly, to keep it running. I went to the clubs and societys meetings, met with students union officers, and did all that. Andy and cathal gave up some of their free time to coach begginners, for a time it was going well. But college committments finally took over.You do need 3-4 interested, motivated people to start a university club and to keep it running. You would need lifters in 1st, 2nd and 3rd year, to make the club sustainable. You would also need to get 3-4 of them certified as new coaches every year. You also need a few people that arent necessarily competitive lifters themselves, but love organising things. If I go back to UL in a few years for a phD I will definately have another crack off it.
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Eamonn Flanagan
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are the graphs updated to include this years ranking lists.

No major differences from 2007 to 2008.





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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:03 pm    Post subject: top 10 static Reply with quote

you know i think that you might have seen an upward trend in the sinclairs of the guys in 10-20 over the last few years ( excepting me Embarassed )

it is too much hassle maybe to graph it out im sure but i think that there was a definite attempt by several athletes to push their sinclairs higher and that these several rose together as it were ,
just my thoughts on it i havent had a close enough look but has anyone else noticed ?
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Eamonn Flanagan
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike, I think you are probably right. I think there has been a good increase in the last couple of years in terms of how many people we have lifting and this would make the 10-20 positions stronger. I have all that info so probably would only take a minute to graph it.
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Eamonn Flanagan
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are updated figures showing progress of the standard of the top 3 and the top 10 lifters each year since 1990.





Here also is the progress of the standard of lifters ranked between 10 and 20 each year since 2002.

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Kevin Darcy
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to see that hings appear to be going in the right direction!!!

We should hopefully get the top 10 average over the 300 mark soon!!!
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Eamonn Flanagan
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:49 pm    Post subject: Progress 2010 Reply with quote

Here are updated figures showing progress of the standard of the top 3 and top 10 each year since 1990 - includes 2010 rankings.





And to look at our "depth" here are the lifters ranked between 10 and 20 each year since 2002.



It looks like last year continued the improvement in our top 10 lifters that has been occurring over the last 7 or 8 years. The top 10 average is now comfortably over the 300 point mark (306).

Small improvement in the top 3 but despite all our talented lifters over the last few years (Byrd, D'Arcy, Healy etc) we do seem to be struggling to get individuals to break through the 330 sinclair mark.

It looks like the batch of lifters ranked between 10 and 20 have remained relatively constant over the last 3 or 4 years or so.

Generally the signs are good but if we were to look at the numbers more critically it would be good to ssee how much World standards have improved over the same period. If they have improved more than our rate of progress, then arguably we are not relatively improving and are losing ground internationally. If they have not, then perhaps we are closing the gap.

Any thoughts?
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cathal byrd
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good stuff Dr. Flanagan. Good to see that we have improved again this year.

In relation to the top 3 average sinclair, I think Wayne Healy getting back to good form this year really helped as to be honest, myself and Kevin D'Arcy did not have a great year sinclair-wise compared to 2008 or 2009. In 2010 Kevin was injured, and I was moving up a weight category as well as getting over my own knee injury from 2009. Neil Dougan did progress and got over the 310 sinclair mark which also greatly helped with the slight improvement in the top 3 average.

However, I am very confident that I will be over the 330 sinclair mark this year, which is something that I haven't managed since 2008. I have now put on the BW for the 77kg category, and it always takes a couple of years to fully benefit from this. Kevin seems to be back training regularly again and hopefully his injuries are nearly fully behind him. I am sure that both Wayne and Neil will continue with their good form, and we also cannot forget about Peter Stewart who can be a 320 (or more) sinclair man when he is training well and injury-free. Clarence Kennedy from Tralee has been showing great promise in his training videos and in Cork last October. Clarence is currently moving up to the 85kg weight category with the intention of being 94kg long-term, he is 17 years old, 5f 10" and his best lifts are 115kg in the snatch and 140kg in the clean and jerk in training. He has also cleaned 145kg. In his first competition in Cork last October he did 105/135 in the 77kg category. We never see this standard of lifting from a debutant as well as someone so young, so I think that it is important to keep tabs on his progress and invite him to squad sessions. James Small and Matthew McCoy are also young lifters to keep tabs on.

We also cannot forget about the lifters that make up the rest of the top 10. They are always striving to improve with Barry Kinsella and Andy Murphy especially who are aiming to improve their sinclair scores this year with the hope of qualifying for international events.

So, all really is good, but there is always room for a lot more improvement. I am very confident that 2011 will be even more progressive than previous years. What is missing however are more training weekends with the presence of our coaches and the establishment of an extended international squad that can be used when selecting lifters for international competition. I can honestly say that the majortiy of our lifters and members are working hard and sacrificing a lot for Irish weightlifting, but this hard work and sacrifice needs to come from more lifters, and more of our coaches and other staff.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well spoken.
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Neil
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it may be an idea to do a quick update after the Ulster open in a few weeks time.
James small, currently at #10 on the rankings posted a 297 sinclair at the nationals.
If all goes well we may just hit the milestone that all top 10 lifters are over 300.
At the moment, i think unless you are at or very near world qualifying standard (330) it would be hard to get into the top 5, something that was set to push only a couple of lifters not even two years ago.
The standard is definately high for 2011, i'm having to work my ass off just to not constantly lose ground, something i couldnt be happeir about.

Quick overview from nationals
Top 6 all over 310 Sinclair (european qualifying standard in Ireland)
Top 3 Average 333
Top 5 Average 326
Top 10 Average 308

Over 30 national and provincial records broken, including more than one that have been standing for over 10 years.
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